Thai citizens do live beyond the boundary of the City of Angels: Some commentaries of the complete TRCT report

On behalf of the volunteers who collected information on the impact of 2010 April-May crackdown in Ubon Ratchathani, I would like to make the following observations regarding the complete Truth for Reconciliation Commission of Thailand (TRCT) report as follows.

Truth-finding

The report centers around what transpired in Bangkok. Although there are some mentions of parallel rallies leading up to the violence in provinces, it gives little value to the lives of stakeholders in the incidents including the accused and affected individuals. In Ubon Ratchathani alone, 418 warrants were issued for which 88 civilians were taken in custody1. Twenty-one individuals were held in custody without bail from the day they were arrested to the day the verdict was handed down. A typical reason given by the court for not allowing bail was the claim that the individuals were a flight risk because the offenses they were charged with were serious. Most of these suspects were male adults with families to care for. Many of them were arrested soon after the May crackdown, leaving their families to suffer from the lack of financial support ever since. It took months for the TRCT staff to start their fieldwork to collect information about the families and those affected. In the entire report, there are only 11 references to the city of Ubon Ratchathani. Of those 11 mentions, four have to do with the City Hall incident with little information as far as specifics of the incident and related demonstrations are concerned. No case study is discussed. Nor is there any example of individuals who they call “victims” as appeared on page 332.  It is worth-noting that the TRCT has created several subcommittees to carry out specific tasks for “truth-finding” purposes concerning individual incidents. Also created was the Fifth Subcommittee whose responsibility involved fact-finding about the Ubon Ratchathani City Hall incident. With the vast budget and human resources to collect field data, the TRCT should have reported their findings to the public in order to make it aware of the impacts of this political conflict. Instead, after 2 years of study, the report presents nothing but general, vague recommendations for reconciliation--something which can be found in a textbook or a theory-based academic paper. Missing are any recorded accounts and reports of facts regarding the events including prior incidents, the aftermath, as well as its consequences. This missing information would have earned the report a status of an academically-oriented source of knowledge instead of a collection of invalidated claims and the like.

 

For Reconciliation

Anonymization of Individuals

The report is not faithful to the spirit of “truth-finding”. Rather, it focuses on “reconciliation” although it is not clear what parties would reconcile as a result of this report. As they are, the recommendations in the report are not grounded on the principles of truth-finding--a prerequisite for a reconciliation process. Apparently, the absence of individuals’ names, which can be seen as an attempt to avoid further divide, backfires as it put these individuals in the background while the word “the City Hall arson” takes center stage.  The report’s anonymization of these affected civilians makes them “nonexistent” in the public discourse. Severely affected individuals such as Mr. Tanoosilp Tanootong, Mr. Kamploy Namee, Mr. Ubon Saentaweesook, and Ms. Sininaat Chompoosapate and their stories do not earn a single reference in the report.  Consider the tone of the following excerpt:

“there were rallies  for more protesters and reports of the situation in Bangkok through pro-UDD local radio stations in provinces. It was found that there were UDD demonstrations in Bangkok and  provinces along with Thaksin’s speeches via video link, which were characterized as provocative, and demanding the protesters to congregate at city halls should there be a crackdown on the Bangkok protest. On May 19, 2010 it was found that UDD protesters gathered on the city hall compounds in many provinces, and city hall arsons took place in Khon Kaen, Udon Thani, Ubon Ratchathani, and Mookdahan.”3

Although the language in the excerpt is ambiguous as to who was responsible for the arsons, juxtaposition of words in it could possibly lead the reader to believe that the protesters set the halls on fire. If the report had focused on the facts regarding the matter, the reader would have seen a picture of something other than the scorching flames rising from the burning state-owned buildings, a sight which affect laypeople’s sensibilities—laypeople who had no clue how all this had come about. Rather, the reader would have learned more details about what transpired that day. For instance, the reader would have been given an opportunity to put things in perspective, had it been mentioned in the report that someone took a photo of Mr. Namee as the incident was unfolding. This photo was later used to charge him with an involvement in the arson attack. As for Mr. Tanootong, he was arrested later. He claimed that he was working in his cassava plantation in a different district along with his wife when it took place. He later made repeated statements to the court that he was in the plantation about 100 kilometers away from the city of Ubon Ratchathani. Let us turn to Ms. Chompoosapate, she had a gunshot wound on her leg from a bullet reportedly coming from the direction of the second floor of the City Hall building.

These people now walk free. Ms. Chompoosapate carries with her a scar from that gunshot, which will later be discussed, and memories from being imprisoned in the state prison while her small children were left with relatives. Financial compensation from the Ministry of Human Resources does not erase the event from her memory. Mr. Namee has become permanently blind and hemiplegic due to a rupture of a brain aneurysm while he was being held in prison without bail during the long trial process; his prior attempts to post bail to seek proper medical treatment failed miserably. Mr Tanootong was eventually acquitted after being held, again without bail, for over a year. No one is taking responsibility for his time and part of his life lost in the prison. Mr. Saentaweesuk is currently taking medications for psychiatric problems—the condition he had before the incident which became aggravated while he was kept behind bars. With these problems he cannot take a normal job to earn a living. These individuals are only some of many who were severely affected by the incident. Presentation of broad, unbacked claims about protesters’ “likely” involvement in the problem without verification and depiction of resulting civilians’ plight not only underscores the report’s superficial take on alleged claims against the people, but it also reflects the report’s lack of efficiency in reporting facts regardless of whether the facts are for reconciliation or any other purpose.

Absence of the Role of Authorities

Citing the above excerpt from the report, it is clear that the report misses information regarding the role of local state authorities in provinces with serious incidents. There is no mention of how state agencies, be they the police, military, or governing bodies, treated or responded to the civilian protesters. For instance, the report does not state that gunshots were reportedly fired at the protesters from the direction of the City Hall building before the place was set on fire. One of the shots wounded Ms. Chompoosapate’s leg. The woman received hospital treatment, was later arrested despite her compromised health, charged, and detained in the Ubon Ratchathani prison for several months. Questions remain unanswered. Why was no fire engine sent to distinguish the fire? Where were state officials when the fire just started? This is such in stark contrast with footage televised both domestically and internationally of an aggressive army strike at the Ratchaprasong rally site.

There is nowhere in the report any mention of the government’s continual suppression in the aftermath. Also unmentioned are challenges with which the accused civilians had to face in the judicial process, both in principle and practice. The report leaves the impression that the City Hall arsons occurred as an isolating event, leaving no consequences.

Concluding Remark: Truth-finding “for” Reconciliation

As of October 13, 2012,  of the original 21 civilians charged with cases related to the Ubon City Hall arson and related incidents, four individuals have been detained without bail, namely, Ms. Pattama Moonmin, Mr. Sanon Ketsuwan, Mr. Somsak Prasansap, and Mr. Teerawat Sajjasuwan. They were accused of setting the fire to the Hall and sentenced to life imprisonment. (Their) punishment was reduced to 33 years and 12 months (exactly how it is phrased). Nine who were acquitted and set free on August 24, 2011 are struggling to move on with their shattered lives. Some are still fighting other charges. Two questions: 1) Does this report show any attempt to seek the truth involving the arson? and 2) How can this report support a path to reconciliation as it both anonymizes affected civilians and fosters civilians’ image as perpetrators.

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Note:
1  Summary of Arrest Warrants and Status Updates as of August 24, 2010.
2  As indicated in the TRCT announcements of members of case-specific truth-finding committees.
3  On page 33 of the complete TRCT report.
 

Saowanee T. Alexander is a lecturer at the Faculty of Liberal Arts, Ubon Ratchathani University
 

It was found that there were

It was found that there were UDD demonstrations in Bangkok and provinces along with Thaksin’s speeches via video link, which were characterized as provocative, and demanding the protesters to congregate at city halls should there be a crackdown on the Bangkok protest.

This could easily be read as the Democrat/Royal Thai Army amalgam offering the circumstances which inspired it's own arson of city halls outside Bangkok as the 'proof' they planned them to be of redshirts' involvement in those arsons. On hearing that redshirts would gather at city halls in the provinces in response to their massacre of redshirts in Bangkok they resolved to burn buildings under their control in the provinces just as they did in Bangkok, in an attempt to retroactively 'justify' their massacre.

I remember reading an account of the Democrat regime meeting with the owners of commercial buildings in Bangkok, prior to the 'final solution' there, assuring them that they would be made whole in the event of property loss during the Democratic assault upon the redshirts in town. Burning government property in the provinces may well have relieved them of that requirement outside of Bangkok.

It is not a surprise that this commission was unable to discover anything at all about what actually happened during the massacre and in its wake. It was chaired by the former Democrat Attorney General who was similarly unable to discover what happened during and in the wake of the illegal land dealings that brought down the Chuan government in Phuket.

It is fair to assume that he was chosen for his inabilities rather than his abilities.

And the media, other than prachatai, work hand in glove with the government, of course, to keep things under wraps.

And we know his own brother

And we know his own brother was involved in Phuket dishing out the land titles to their Hiso friends for land supposedly set aside for poor farmers.
Presented with a mountain of evidence the former democrat Attorney General merely stated that "He" had found no evidence of wrong doing and dismissed the case but the government fell regardless.
Suthep was the Agriculture minister. he received a ban from politics.
Near total corruption from the Dems.

"You couldn't make it up."

Indeed. Thai society is

Indeed.

Thai society is corrupt from the top to the bottom. It isn't just a 3rd-world thingit's a Thai thing.

It helps to understand the sef-esteem needs of Thais and the cognitive dissonance that exists because of the yawning chasm between their hearing how wonderful they are every day, and their observation of reality, which shows they aren't particularly special at all. Hence the sometimes almost pathological hatred and distrust of things 'western'.

I was fascinated last year to hear Suthep, who awoke that morning in his western-style home, dressed in his western-style suit, shirt and tie, travelled in his western-style car along Thailand's western-style roads with their western-style traffic lights and zebra crossings, to his western-style office where he spoke into a western-style microphone on western-style TV cameras, listened to by western-style journalists writing for western-style newspapers. And he said that Thais should not trust farangs or anything farang. Remarkable really, if only as a demonstration of what hypocrisies the psychologically unwell are able to utter in the belief they are taken seriously. Unfortunately, far too often, they are.

The Thai, as we will all aware, needs constant ego support. Personally, I believe the roots of this are to be found in the notion that Thais are members of a community above being individuals. Its just another control mechanism - produce lots of drones, punish the non-conformers and you'll have a compliant. obedient society which is happy to leave the important decisions to father and the 30 billion dollars he took out of the Thai economy .

/continued

/continued For the Thai, The

/continued

For the Thai, The way to achieve constant reinforcement of self-esteem, is the accumulation of power, achieved through social networking and 'quid pro quo', and the accumulation of money beyond any reasonable need. Money buys influence and power, as has been shown by the remarkable examples provided by the palace and its networks.

The problem is, as Chalerm, Abhisit and Suthep (for example) show clearly, is that however much money/power they have, it is not sufficient to resolve the underlying psychological dysfunction or dissonance. So they keep trying to demonstrate their 'power' in the hope that people will recognise them as being 'good people' instead of the thugs they really are. The master of this (of course) is Prem, whose homosexuality has been a thorn in his sef-esteem side for decades, and which propels him to seek ever increasing amounts of influence, power and the gratification, willingly provided by sycophants and younger 'aides'..

And it isn't going to change any time soon, the psychological damage inflicted on the Thai by the manipulation of their 'culture' will take generations to resolve.

Just my opinion.

Love

Annie

There was never any chance

There was never any chance whatever that this sham committee would produce anything of use. It had no powers to oblige people to testify (and indeed, the army, which arguably bore the greatest blame for wrong-doing, simply announced that it would not co-operate - where else, other than in a banana republic would that be tolerated?). The committee members were mainly royalist or democrat stooges - it was only ever a sop deliberate and cynical to the international community which occasionally glanced at the mayhem without any real surprise or protest that Thailand was, once again, misbehaving.

It was a typically Thai effort to present an appearance rather than anything of substance, I cannot imagine any intelligent person expecting anything more than the superficial politically-correct nonsense which was the actual result.

It was always going to be a farce and that's exactly what it was. The only surprise was that the panelists didn't commit mass suicide out of sheer embarrassment that their incompetence was so painfully on display. Yet Thais have no obvious sense of shame, and the crackhead-in-charge resembled nothing so much as a goldfish with glasses when speaking to the report, whereas he should have been shrieking in embarrassment at producing 351 pages of almost complete bollocks.

Typically Thai, move along folks nothing to see here.

"It was a typically Thai

"It was a typically Thai effort to present an appearance rather than anything of substance"
"Thais have no obvious sense of shame"

Some more racist slurs from our forum's very own lightweight intellectual. Thanks Annie. It'd been a few days since you insulted my wife and daughter and you really made my evening.

Who wants to make guesses as to why Annie is such a racist bitch? I think it's because she was rejected in Thai society for one reason or another and has become resentful. It's really no surprise - imagine what would happen if she said publicly the two sentences I've quoted above? I guess she lives in Thailand, but must have not one native friend here.

Annie, if you don't respect any Thai people, then you don't care about them. And if you don't care, why are you here? This is a human rights orientated news forum - it's for people who do care, to at least some degree. You ought piss off like I suggested and contemplate why all Thai people will think you're an idiot and a wanker if you open your mouth to them...

Don't be to hard on Annie,

Don't be to hard on Annie, I'm sure she does love the Thai people. Maybe she's like me and gets a little frustrated by their willingness to be lead by the nose by just about anyone.
Nothing will change until the Thai people make it change.

That's pretty close as a

That's pretty close as a starter.

I talked to an up-country sosr-sor (MP) last year. Like all such oeople he is a desperate character, corrupt, self-obsessed and not very clever (though clever enough to kiss the right asses to get nominated and elected I suppose).

He did however have the occasional flashes of insight, as I'm sure most Thais do ( even RedReaper's spouse and progeny) and for a time he was lamenting the admittedly racist, elitist and generally snotty habit of BKK folk to refer to up-county (ban-awk) Thais as 'Kwai'. He asked me candidly as a psychologist, what (in my experience) might be a good psychological approach to reducing the dismal opinion of upcountry folk that many if not most native Bankokians have.

My answer was that if khon changwat wish not to be thought of as kwai, then they need to stop behaving like Kwai.

Simple really, too simple for him though, he was looking for a much more complicated answer -probably one that he could 'borrow' to impress his fellow upcountry sor-sors I suspect.

At school I was taught to answer 2 questions when dealing with needed change.

1. If not me then who?

2. If not now then when?

The Thai answer to each is as follows, and this is why Thais are still 3rd-world people in a 3rd-world country:

1. Someone else.

2. Mais pen rai.

As you rightly point out, Thais can be led by the nose by anyone with a nice pretty (preferably gold-coloured) bit of string. Nothing will change until they learn how to get off their asses and actually do something rather than just whining. Having said that, I have great hopes that the leadership of the Red Shirts will be able to catalyse some useful change, though they will have to let go of the millstone round their neck which they call Thai culture first.. God knows Thailand needs it.

Thanks for the comment though, life gets seriously tedious if all you have is the RedReapers and JFL's of this world.

Annie

"The Thai answer to each is

"The Thai answer to each is as follows, and this is why Thais are still 3rd-world people in a 3rd-world country:

1. Someone else.

2. Mais pen rai."

Why don't you email this post you made and this sentence to Giles Ji Ungpakorn. He's written entire books that are the exact opposite of this bullshit you're writing.

He is a socialist who believes, as millions of other Thais do, that individuals as people have the power to accomplish anything. He believes society should be led by the bottom upwards, not the top downwards. Typical socialist/communist. He is certainly not alone.

Like I said, you are a racist blind fool with emotional issues. You say you are a psychologist? That's sad, given you clearly have such an arrogant view of society and people. And you certainly don't belong on a forum that is meant to bring attention to issues to help people.

Betty, Millions and millions

Betty,

Millions and millions of Thai have already made the decision not to be naive, foolish and ignorant as you explain. It's your's and Annie's failure to acknowledge that and persist in labeling Thai people as a single indivisible group rather than a collection of different people that make you both a racist cyclops.

Not all Thai people are the same. Some of them are very intelligent, strong and independant. Saying like, "All Thai people are stupid, low IQ, brown nosed royalist fools," is just racist, because although it is true with a massive portion of the population, there is also a massive portion of the population it is not true for. Failure to realize this is ignorance, and persistence in it is racism.

I've explained this to Annie and several other people on this forum. But they persist, despite the obvious logic. Why? They obviously have an irrational emotional issue that is more powerful than their rational, logical side. This is usually the factor in racism - emotion winning over logic.

"Betty, Millions and millions

"Betty,

Millions and millions of Thai have already made the decision not to be naive, foolish and ignorant as you explain. "

Millions and millions eh? Evidence? Did you count or poll? Or do you really mean 'lots', in which case lots of people that you know? Lots of people that someone told you about?

"It's your's and Annie's failure to acknowledge that and persist in labeling Thai people as a single indivisible group rather than a collection of different people that make you both a racist cyclops."

Hmmm. So labeling is wrong then. OK. How about labeling people as racist or cyclops? Wrong? No. Just stupid.

"Not all Thai people are the same."

Wonderful, This year's Nobel prize for stating the perfectly bloody obvious. What on earth goes on between your ears son? Anything at all?

"Some of them are very intelligent, strong and independant."

Who? evidence? What does 'very intelligent' mean? How do you know they're 'very intelligent? Just a feeling?

"Saying like, "All Thai people are stupid, low IQ, brown nosed royalist fools,"

Who said that? Show me where or accept that you just made it up. Silly boy.

"is just racist, because although it is true with a massive portion of the population, "

I see. Racist but true - yes?

"there is also a massive portion of the population it is not true for."

Evidence? How many is 'massive'? You have any support for this statement?

"Failure to realize this is ignorance, and persistence in it is racism."

Hmmm. Failure to accept what you say is racist? And ignorant? Wow. Says whom?

"I've explained this to Annie and several other people on this forum. But they persist, despite the obvious logic. Why? They obviously have an irrational emotional issue that is more powerful than their rational, logical side."

Or perhaps they're right and you just aren't. Perhaps you are the one being irrational while accusing others of the same thing. So, not so obvious to others as it is to you then... what might you deduce from that? Being rational.

This is usually the factor in racism - emotion winning over logic.

The one thing you said that is correct, and you even copied that from what I have said on the matter.

You really are a bit of a muppet aren't you?

Still, look on the bright side. Not many people are taking any notice of you... so it could be worse, they might start.

Love,

Annie

"Millions and millions eh?

"Millions and millions eh? Evidence?"

What a fucking period ridden bitch you've turned out to be.

I assume millions and millions of Thai. From what I've seen, it's most probably true enough. Though i may point out you've not conducted any poll on whether Thai are stupid brown nose sheep either, so you're just talking shit.

"So labeling is wrong then. How about labeling people as racist or cyclops?"

I did not throw the first stone, Annie. About labelling being wrong - it's you who come here for little reason other than to insult all Thai people. What I am saying is a reaction to you - a response. And you are racist. It's not an ify. Anyone who labels an entire group of people as stupid based solely on their nationality is racist. That's what the word means. Go check.

"How do you know they're 'very intelligent?"

How do I know they are very intelligent? Are you serious? Or do you really need to test someone to determine if they're clever or not? Things often not immediately apparent to you? If you're going back to your "they're all stupid stance" then what was the point of the line you wrote before that? Thailand has many intelligent people. Engineers, math genius, political scientists, artists. I've met many and have been impressed by some. I'm not impressed by you, though.

The rest of your post is just a low life's slur.

So you come here, insult people without a care as to who you're talking to, using terms that would land you on the flat of your back with a broken face in public. And then when someone challenges you with rational points that are obviously clearly true, you demand proof, despite having offered none yourself. When the proof is not given, you take that as evidence they are all infact stupid, and then try to claim you're not racist because it's "true."

I think my original assessment is spot on - you're an outsider who failed to make a single Thai friend. Developed emotional problems somewhere along the line that are now such a serious condition they prevent you from making rational conclusions. You're the psychologist - is this sounding right to you?

Just piss off, Annie. For so long as you walk around calling people, or their children, spouse or family with racist slurs and steriotypes, you will get insulted as the arrogant bitch you clearly are.

Other members here please forgive my extensive usage of Tasmanian English. It is inspired out of love for many Thai people. Annie is just sad...

Wow. You really lost it

Wow. You really lost it didn't you?

Goes to show that if you're skilful with a scalpel, you can scrape away at someone, and sooner or later the resident Mr Hyde will come exploding out being all wrathful and obnoxious.

I am curious though son. What comment of mine was it that pushed you over the edge? Its just that as an observer of people, I know that some forms of language have a devastating effect on people who aren't very good at engaging Mr Brain before opening Mr Mouth. Since it worked so well this time, I might quite like to use it again next time you get all uppitty.

So what was it?

Love
XXX

Annie

Andrew Spooner, when you

Andrew Spooner, when you eventually show up - I never said you were puppeting other usernames on his forum. Annie said that because she is not very intelligent and did not know what a sock puppet was. What I mean is you literally have socks on your hands... it's not a metaphor... sort of...

The TRCT committee members

The TRCT committee members where hand-selected by Abhisit, and consisted of only PAD leaders/members and pro-Democrat individuals. Members of the opposition were entirely banned from participation and input. The military refused to share evidence, the DSI wouldn't participate, and witnesses were not allowed anonymity so most wouldn't come forward.

That is neither a formula for "Truth" nor "Reconciliation". It is, however, a means to whitewash crimes with an air of 'credibility'.

Thanks to johninbkk for

Thanks to johninbkk for bringing the spotlight back on to the relevant issue! The TRC was always going to be a whitewash, that was obviously the intention right from the start.

A word of advice to TheRedReaper - unless you enjoy these knockabout sessions with the Misanthrope, just don't get involved. To her/him/other it's all just a game, and part of the game is winding people up. A psychologist eh? Not practising I hope. Or maybe it's the MP who's a psychologist.

What do psychologists,

What do psychologists, technicians, optometrists, anesthetists have in common? Answer: they're all wannabes: psychiatrists, engineers, ophthalmologists, anesthesiologists respectively.

Hmmm. Off-topic, but hey,

Hmmm.

Off-topic, but hey, what's new from you eh?

No matter, I have a couple of minutes while I finish my coffee so that's time enough to demolish you. Again.

You really don't understand the difference between psychologists and psychiatrists, technicians and engineers, optometrists and ophthalmologists, anesthetists and anesthesiologists eh?

Perhaps a good dictionary might help, though to be frank, the trick to not appearing like a buffoon, is to look at the dictionary *before* you sit down at the keyboard.

Maybe you'd be better leaving the commentary to the grown-ups and keep your (somewhat naive) personal thoughts to yourself. I don't mind son, but really, every time you open your mind, you remind everyone what wide open (and empty) spaces look like. I can't help feeling that if you were brighter, you'd feel embarrassed at some of the things you say.

Annie

Sorry to spoil your coffee,

Sorry to spoil your coffee, Dannie. I truly appreciate what you can do. All you need is some adult supervision.

And btw, medications do help,

And btw, medications do help, you know. Just have to go see a psychiatrist.

Well that's encouraging.

Well that's encouraging. Never had any need for them myself but I'm really happy to hear you say how well they work.

Keep up the good work son.

Annie

'Never had any need for them

'Never had any need for them myself' ...Ahh, therein the problem lies, Dannie, the friendless one (your cat/dog not withstanding although one cannot know for sure). First you need to get past the denial stage.

Annie, Pushed me over the

Annie,

Pushed me over the edge? This is how I usually talk. Especially to people who insult my family. You will find the majority of people respond similarily. In Thailand, if you preach your ideas in public, you will learn that, to the detriment of your health. Try it.

I'm not the one with a warped personality. You insult all Thai people in nearly every post you make. But now that you have finally got a reaction from someone, you try and say they're the messed up one. You're obviously seeking reactions, then. No doubt due to the fact you don't have any friends in Thai society since you're a racist cyclops, so you go on the internet for attention.

Also interesting to note you've not replied to any of my actual points. You preffered a personal dig - what does that tell you - Annie's a girl of little substance just here to start fires.

The most disgusting thing about how you've reacted to the negative side of Thai soceity (those amongst it who actually ARE ignorant, intolerant and reactionary), is instead of just going away from those people who hurt you and letting rubbish lay in the street where it belongs, you've chosen to actually become one of them. But that makes sense too, really - the things that hurt most are often the truths we don't want to admit. So when you actually wanted to be a part of something and failed, you yourself became the soul of that same ignorance and rejection - something that takes a shallow sort of dignity.

Well, my daughter, a Thai, is 2 years and 3 months old. She can read simple words (such as dog, cat and tree) and all the letters in 2 languages (both caps and lower case in Engish). She speaks 2 languages (both of them as if they were a first language). And she can name thousands of things she's never actually seen, just from looking at the pictures (lion, elephant, ifle tower, pyramid, gun, mountain, so on - and most of them in 2 languages again). One little Thai girl who will no doubt grow to be a thousand times smarter than you. And one in several million Thai girls who will do just that, in my opinion (and doesn't that cut so deep - she's beautiful too, as are many Thai girls - not so uncouth as somene else...). At the very least, she will not grow to insult entire hordes of people for no other reason than her own insecurity...

Pushed me over the edge? This

Pushed me over the edge? This is how I usually talk.

Really? Seriously? Wow. Poor you.

I'm not the one with a warped personality.

That's interesting. Of course if you did have a warped personality, then anyone normal would appear to be warped to you. As it seems to you that I am seem warped. Probably everyone else too eh?

Also interesting to note you've not replied to any of my actual points.

Really? What points were they? I didn't notice any points worth responding to, but I may have missed them, Doubtless you can make them again for me.

The most disgusting thing about how you've reacted to the negative side of Thai soceity (those amongst it who actually ARE ignorant, intolerant and reactionary),

Ah. So you go from saying that it isn't true, to saying it *is* true but I should ignore it. Right?

instead of just going away from those people who hurt you and letting rubbish lay in the street where it belongs

Ah yes. I was right. Plus you assume I only notice psychological dysfunction because the psychologically dysfunctional person has 'hurt me' in some unspecified way. Flying a bit of a kite there son. Stretching the bounds of reason. Nearly time for your lithium is it?

[some pop-psych bits snipped. Were these the 'points' you thought you made?]

Sweet Jesus...

[some self-congratulatory but irrelevant bits snipped. Wow, why did really you say all that? Why? Said it before but people didn't congratulate you so you congratulate yourself?]

Gawd, its so hard to deal with clods...

Annie

Funny reading. :) Seeing the

Funny reading. :)

Seeing the trolling of the inflated muppet my-only-friend-is-a-dog psychologists-wannabe is very entertaining indeed. :)

It's a bit sad that it ruins the debates and discussions.
Something a real psychologists with an IQ above 80 obviously wouldn't have a desire to do.
Just as such a person would realize that intelligence is something displayed. Not announced.

But then again, Annie's none of those things. And I'm just stating the obvious again. :)