Real Thais Can’t Possibly Oppose the Lese Majeste Law, Can They?
Many ultra-royalists whom I engaged with over the course of many months of twitter exchanges and debates tend to think that something must be wrong with Thais who are against the lese majeste law.
To many of these people, those who oppose the draconian law which ensures that mainstream mass media’s self-censorship is normalized, one-sided information and flattery about the monarchy institution is guaranteed and people who dare to criticize the monarchy will almost certainly end up in jail without bail, must be outright republicans or red shirts seriously misled by Thaksin Shinawatra.
So basically, you must be red or republican, but probably both, as well as having been manipulated by Thaksin. There is almost no middle ground no matter how much I try to convince some ultra-royalists that it would be for the best of society’s maturity for Thais to be able to legally and critically debate and criticize the monarchy if needed, just like in the United Kingdom, Japan, Spain and other constitutional monarchies.
Some well-intended royalists are genuinely concerns that the public are not mature enough to be able to distinguish faction from fiction, correct information and misinformation, about the Thai monarchy. To this I always say that we cannot forever look after the whole 60 millions Thai populations by censoring everything that’s deemed even mildly critical, for it will only ensure that Thais will be bereft of the opportunity to engage in critical thinking, prevented from becoming a mature society, and that it would also dampen our democratic aspiration.
To many ultra-royalists, those who oppose the lese majeste law must be either ill-intended anti-monarchists or victims of republican (formerly known as communist) propaganda. I hardly hear any of them, except one or two so far, who at least admitted that they recognize the good intention of those who want to reform or abolish the law.
To accuse or doubt someone’s ‘Thainess’ or Thai identity is taking this negativity to yet another level, however. It is as if they can’t believe that you can be both Thai as well as critical to the monarchy institution or simply want an institution that is transparent, accountable and not God-like.
I came across a disturbing encounter on Monday when one ultra-royalist Twitter-user demanded that I tell where I was born. After getting the answer, plus my voluntary reminder that even the current King was born abroad in the USA, she went on to ask where my parents were born nonetheless. I replied Thailand.
But she went on to ask where my grandparents were born. It was then that it became clear to me that I am dealing with some kind of neo-fascist and neo-racist mentality.
After refusing to entertain her further, I was accused of not adhering to her notion of ‘freedom of expression’. It was then that I reminded her that perhaps she got mixed up about the notion of freedom of expression and the freedom to coerce others for answer on private matter.
At that moment, I briefly understood how a Jew facing the Nazi interrogation before being sent to Buchenwald or Auschwitz might have felt. Ah, that racist and fascist discourses of racial purity being reincarnated in Thailand seven decades after the demise of Nazism.
It doesn’t matter if even the ruling Chakri Daynasty have mixed racial background from various ethnicities over the past two centuries, because somebody just wanted to brand those who oppose the lese majeste law as un-Thai.
So if being a Thai citizen is not enough to qualify someone to take a stance against draconian and dictatorial law like the lese majeste law, perhaps only direct descendants of Baan Chiang people, whose ancient remains were excavated many decades ago in the Northeast and who are regarded as the earliest settlers in this part of the world, will do.
I was also reminded of the 6 October, 1976 massacre when dozens of mostly young Thais, branded as communist and anti-royalists were lynched to death by rightwing ultra-royalist mob. By the way, they were also branded as Vietnamese or non-Thai.
P.S. Below is a copy of my dark encounter on Twitter.




















Comments
So if being a Thai citizen is
The Baan Chiang people! You've gotta be kidding me!
These 'true Thais' want Chinese or Indian descent. They don't want the blood of the indigines in your veins. What others in the world regard as the Thai people are regarded by the 'true Thais' as an inferior race.
The Baan Chiang people ... that'd be like insisting that the 'true Americans' were the people who lived in 'America' before its the European colonization ... by the 'true Americans'!
Don't you remember all the talk of the 'rural hordes' back in 2010, when the wonderful folks that the rest of the world views as the Thai people showed up in Bangkok demanding elections?
You are in desperate need of education in the Black is White facts of life as regards true Thai Culture and Civilization, Pravit.
"The Baan Chiang people!
"The Baan Chiang people! You've gotta be kidding me!
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You are in desperate need of education in the Black is White facts of life as regards true Thai Culture and Civilization, Pravit."
Pssst, John...
I think you'll find he was being ironic.
I-R-O-N-Y
Good grief.
Psst, Postman. I think you
Psst, Postman. I think you are the one who missed the irony.
No, I don't think so, though
No, I don't think so, though I'm sure I understand why you would say that.
I'm always told, "You aren't
I'm always told, "You aren't Thai, you can't understand." Well, at least the first part is right . . . I'm often accused of being in the pay of Thaksin, too.
Ask them what they would think about Thaksin if he imprisoned anyone who criticized him. Ironically, they'll call him a dictator.
To me, part of being a grown adult is knowing how to handle criticism. I think He can handle it.
Khun Pravit, This country
Khun Pravit,
This country needs more courageous guys like you to deal with people you have met in the twitter zone.
I was trying to find out more
I was trying to find out more about the origins of Prem, but couldn't find more than the name of his parents.
It would be interesting to find out more about his grand parents.
Regarding Abhisit Vejjajiva, according to wikipedia "He is fluent in both his mother tongue and the English language, and has dual Thai and British citizenship. (...). He is ethnically Han Chinese of Hokkien origin."
Therefore, he cannot claim Thainess if we follow the ultra-royalists definition of being Thai!
My maternal great grand
My maternal great grand father was governor of Suphanburi under absolute monarchy (Phraya Sunthonsongkram, Pui Suwannasala ปุย สุวรรณศร). The Suwannasala clan's family name was bestowed by King Rama VI. One of his sons, who happened to be my paternal grand father, Doctor Boon Suwannasala (บุญ สุวรรณศร) was a former director general of the Public Health Department and his aunt was the mother of Thanphooying Poonsuk Banomyong, the wife of Pridi Banomyong. Thanphooying Poonsuk was half Suwannasala and half na Pombejara. My father was a former diplomat and now an appointed senator who is most recently subjected a red card by the Election Commission for allegedly failing to vote on a by-election, and currently awaiting the supreme court's ruling on his fate. His most important contribution at the the Ministry of Foreign Affairs was, from my point of view, was not being a director general of the International Treaties and Legal Affairs, but for drafting the US Troops Withdrawal Treaty for Thailand in the mid 1970s. His father, my paternal grand father, came from Hainan Island at a teenager and served at the royal kitchen of the Siamese Court as a cook.
That makes me, Pravit Rojanaphruk, a mongrel of sort.
"That makes me, Pravit
"That makes me, Pravit Rojanaphruk, a mongrel of sort."
Same as everyone on the planet m'boy, same as everyone on the planet.
Unless you've got blue blood of course...
In which case you probably have porphyria - probably other consequences of centuries of in-breeding as well, like many of the 'royal' families of the world.
The point is not to prove
The point is not to prove that ones is a pure blood of whatever fascists want to believe they are, but that they most probably all have ancestors of various origin so that the arguments from the ultra-royalists that only pure-bloods can be Thais doesn't make any sense.
This is why I wonder about Prem Tinsulanonda's origin. I would also like to know about the origin of another politician known for his openly racist comments Suthep Thaugsuban.
It's ok Pravit. We won't hold
It's ok Pravit. We won't hold all those aristocrats in your background against you. You can choose your friends, but not your family. You seem to have turned out real well, in spite of such a privileged past.
Please keep up the good work.
Pravit has been exposed to
Pravit has been exposed to one sided information about how the world works at all of his Soros-funded fellowships - Soros being a convicted criminal and a degenerate Wall Street speculator who openly and disingenuously uses human rights to expand his and his ilk's financial hegemony around the world.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2012/01/us-funded-rights-advocate-censoring.html
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2012/03/surpise-soros-is-convicted-criminal.html
Pravit has also openly admitted that Prachatai - a US-funded propaganda outlet - has purposefully censored comments on their own free-speech advocacy website for politically-motivated reasons - yet he still associates with them. Why? And why doesn't he write as passionately about Prachatai, the corporate-fascists at the National Endowment for Democracy that fund Prachatai millions a year, and the clear fact that they are all working in tandem to tear down the monarchy and replace it with Thaksin's cult of personality?
You cannot write endlessly about the monarchy and then dismiss the corporate-financier oligarchs who have ravaged this entire planet on a scale magnitudes greater than a handful of Thai elites - and dismiss their willful proxies here in Thailand.
Tony has been exposed as a
Tony has been exposed as a conspiricist who works for American precious metal scammers. By being deliberately off topic he supports racist Thais. But we knew that because he also supports the fascist racists at PAD.
The simple question Pravit
The simple question Pravit needs to ask himself is - is there a plot to undermine the Thai establishment and replace it with something even more sinister, unsustainable and contra to the principles Pravit himself claims to believe in?
And the simple answer is yes - Thaksin, demonstratively through his actions, words, and documented extensively throughout his propaganda, especially "Voice of Taksin" which served as the blueprint for Thaksin's latest stunt - Nitirat - are clearly trying to undermine and eliminate Thailand's indigenous institutions while replacing them with his own cult of personality while his foreign backers on Wall Street and in London expand their fake-NGO "civil society."
You tell me if there is anything healthy about Thaksin's cult of personality and if these people are capable of deciding for themselves truth from fiction. They traveled in droves to see "dear leader" in Cambodia - a nation run by a brutal dictator who Thaksin counts as one of his greatest friends - it is both ironic and sad in so many ways the deception aimed at these people - a deception Pravit seems to think is all part of "freedom."
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2012/04/bizarre-us-backed-cult-on-pilgrimage-to.html
Shame on Pravit.
The simple point is that TC
The simple point is that TC collaborates with the decadent and murderous establishment of Thailand. Being a supporter of these conservatives is in line with the conspiricist political ideology that is extremist and, it seems, racist as well.
When you make such cliche
When you make such cliche generalizations with zero evidence you not only make a fool of yourself but only prove what I'm saying about US-funded Prachatai and their disingenuous agenda.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/exposed-indy-newspaper-funded-by-us.html
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2012/03/surpise-soros-is-convicted-criminal.html
The National Endowment for Democracy which funds Prachatai is demonstratively proven to be run by corporate-fascists, Neo-Cons, and warmongers - guilty of a myriad of REAL crimes against humanity, including willfully lying to the world to trigger the Iraq war, war in Libya, and now backing terrorists in Syria. Prachatai is also funded by CONVICTED CRIMINAL and Wall Street speculator George Soros.
Every rock you lift up here at Prachatai the very worst scum of humanity crawls out.
"You're a conspiracy theorist and a racist." How original Albert - maybe you might want to throw in Nazi and Jew hater for good measure?
If you had a shred of legitimacy, or if what I was saying was so divorced from reality, you could easily, and intelligently prove so. That you can't, and instead resort to childish, baseless attacks against me instead of addressing my legitimate points proves you, and Prachatai in general are not interested in the truth - but rather spreading lies and attacking wildly anyone calling you out on them.
Then we must again ask the question - why does someone like Pravit associate with Prachatai when this is the case - the answer is clear - Pravit at this point knows full well what's going on - he is compromised and disingenuous as well.
More bombastic drivel from
More bombastic drivel from the conspiricist. Of course, the one with no credibility is the conspiricist himself. As you are well aware TC, I have posted numerous times here at Prachatai on your documented lies, concoctions and slanders. There's no need to repeat them. I have also documented your connections with extremist politics of the right in the US and in Thailand, with enough links to show that you too are an extremist. No need to bore readers here with a regurgitation of previously posted facts.
Your lack of capacity to reject the racist extremists attacking Pravit's parents and grandparents is nothing but support for those racists. By that action, you are as disgusting as they are.