Red shirts buoyed by support
Many in capital's working and lower-middle classes clearly sympathetic
The massive 20-kilometre-long red-shirt motorcade around Bangkok yesterday proved beyond doubt that many working-class and lower-middle-class people in the capital support the red shirts, as they came out in force to wildly cheer the caravan as if their liberators had arrived. (See photos and video clips inside)
Police estimate 65,000 red shirts took part in the procession with 10,000 motorcycles and 7,000 other vehicles, mostly pickups and lorries, involved. The real numbers are hard to estimate, however.
The seemingly endless motorcade left the protest site at 10am and made its way through major streets such as New Phetchaburi, Ratchadaphisek, Lat Phrao, Ramkhamhaeng and Rama IV.
Yommaraj
In the Pratunam area, just in front of Platinum Fashion Mall, at least 200 people along the streets and pedestrians on the overpass ecstatically cheered the red procession as it marched on for more than five hours until 3.45pm.
Pantip Plaza
Pratunam
The whole atmosphere resembled a carnival or fiesta. Many bystanders went onto the streets to interact more closely with those in the procession. The caravan rolled on at what could be considered brisk walking pace.
Many of those cheering the red shirts donned red or had something red on them, such as a handkerchief or a headband. They jumped, danced, waved and shook their foot clappers. They also handed out bottled water to members of arguably the longest political caravan in Thai history.
Pratunam
Ratchadapisek Rd
A clear majority of those waving and cheering were working-class and lower-middle-class people, highlighting the growing disquiet over class inequality among the poor as well as indicating class solidarity.
Ratchadapisek Rd
A clear majority of the sympathisers appeared to be street vendors, clerks, waitresses, hotel cooks, security guards, taxi drivers, motorcycle-taxi riders, and local residents coming from the more congested and poorer parts of Bangkok.
Ratchadapisek Rd
Some shouted: "Abhisit [Vejjajiva, prime minister] get out!" Others shook hands and patted the shoulders of red-shirt protesters who passed by. Looking cheerful and confident, they seemed to have the belief that they would eventually prevail. Car-honking and loud anti-Abhisit and anti-old-elite slogans were heard along the route.
Silom
Yaowaraj
At a restaurant at the Lat Phrao-Ratchadaphisek intersection, one middle-class customer, who is not a red-shirt supporter, told The Nation: "These days people [I met] simply say they want to see either a quick victory or defeat. They're tired of it."
Some hostile reception was reported in areas such as Onnuj and Klong Tan with a bottle thrown at Democratic Alliance against Dictatorship co-leader Natthawut Saikua missing its target in the Klong Tan area.
Anti-red, near Klong Tan
'Bang Rak people don't support violence'
Anti-red, Soi Pridi 4, Sukhumvit (photo from http://www.prachataiwebboard.com/webboard/id/31058)
Many of those who opposed the march, which paralysed much of Bangkok's traffic, kept off the streets and posted their feelings online.
"Why don't they shut their own province down? People are fed up," read one such posting on prachatai.com online newspaper.
Some subway gates were temporarily shut yesterday from 10.40am, leaving those who were trapped agitated. "You are just creating an image that these people are violent and cruel!" one woman commuter told a subway worker at Exit 1 of Phra Ram 9 station. "They don't even carry weapons."
Sutthisan Station (Photos from http://weareallhuman.net/index.php?showtopic=44370)
A man in his mid-fifties was furious, as he could not exit from the gate. "This kind of stupidity will only earn more sympathisers for the reds ... This country has gone nuts! If you're to shut the gate why don't you shut down the whole subway so I won't have to use it."
(Photos from http://weareallhuman.net/index.php?showtopic=44370)
Krishna Sajjadej, a subway staff member, apologised to the 30 or so stranded commuters, who were not easily appeased.
In the afternoon, at a petrol station near the Lat Phrao-Ratchadaphisek intersection, two red shirts speculated as to why Abhisit would not resign or dissolve the House. One said it was because the military and the elites who controlled him had told the premier not to do so. "But we shall eventually oust him," said a middle-aged red shirt.
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Comments
...two red shirts speculated
...two red shirts speculated as to why Abhisit would not resign or dissolve the House. One said it was because the military and the elites who controlled him had told the premier not to do so...
Sounds right to me.
Are you bashing the PM
Are you bashing the PM without supporting reasons? I don't beleive he should disolve the house and he will not. I still don't see any reason why the RED are rallying for. Last year they rallied and almost burnt the city down, they got nothing. Since then, the country is still here.
People on the street that come out to support RED rally, most likely they do not come out to support the REd agendas and policies, they just want to cheer their rural countrymen.
It easy to blame the incident
It easy to blame the incident last April alll on Red Shirt. If you recall what happen. It was some cunning group of blue shirt that came out in Pattaya to invite violents teasing the redshirt there. Yes, that lead to redshirt who went kios. This simply because they are being suppress too long of injustice. These redshirt have simple mind, falling into the trap of the cunning blueshirt who are out there incite unrest. If you ask me, why so many bomb in BKK now, stop pointing at the redshirt because the blue shirt cannot afford to loose this game if you think about it. So do you think the blueshirt wanted a come back from power to the redshirt?
Both red & blue are being make use of by the blue.
Whether or not they are out to support fellow country man or real democracy, the picture is very clear. They love the action.
I'm sure the PM is a very
I'm sure the PM is a very nice guy. Unfortunately he owes his position to the Military who have kept the reins of power in their own hands throughout his reign as PM. The actions of the Military have flatly contradicted the PM's words since he literally 'took office'; he has been articulating a more and more repressive line during his tenure; he has been invoking the ISA more and more frequently, formally turning over control of large swathes of Thailand to the ISOC... to the Military.
Here is a statement of the Reds' plans. Chief among them is the acknowledgement of popular sovereignty and the call for an elected government.
The Democrat Party, and the PM as its titular head, have given up on elections since before the coup in 2006 when they refused to contest them. The 'problem' for the Democrat Party is that the interests of their constituency run counter to the interests of the majority of the Thai people, so they must look to the Military for support.
The Democrat Party is now officially the civilian figleaf for the Thai Military, it is the Military Party.
RED = Thaksin nothing for
RED = Thaksin
nothing for THAILAND
nothing for THAI People
nothing of law belonging
one side picture
why don't you show some pic of people upset by red
why don't you show some pic of bad traffic coz of red
up side down logically is red
non of supporting information
non of principle of law
what are you fighting for?
"what are you fighting
"what are you fighting for?"
A couple of quotes for you to think about น้อยเข้าไส้
On 28 June 2006 an 11-member fact-finding panel headed by Deputy Attorney-General Chaikasem Nitisiri voted unanimously to dissolve the Democrat party.
“The decision is irreversible even though two witnesses — Suksant Chaithep and Chavakarn Tosawat -- have stated that they were bribed by a senior member of the Democrat Party to press false charges against an executive member of the Thai Rak Thai Party," Mr Prahan said.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/politics/160275/no-trt-return
I like comment 10 by John in BKK. Says it perfectly.
A bangkokpost columist once wrote about the gaping hole in Thai Politics due to the banning of the 111 TRT Executives..... or something along those lines.
Or perhaps these are just more lies.
On 28 June 2006 an 11-member
On 28 June 2006 an 11-member fact-finding panel headed by Deputy Attorney-General Chaikasem Nitisiri voted unanimously to dissolve the Democrat party.
That's what should have happened, I suppose. The just desserts of a party that refused to contest an election on the grounds that the electorate would not vote for its own demise. Instead the Democrats prayed for deus ex machina and got, as always, the Thai Military instead.
Since the corpse is just beginning to stink, and the tapirs will not be applied to its pyre for some few months yet, there is yet time for real leadership to emerge to lead the new regime. Let the contest begin.
"RED = Thaksin" Sorry, but
"RED = Thaksin"
Sorry, but you are wrong. This is what you are being led to believe.
RED > Thaksin (red is greater than Thaksin)
How do I know this? I have personally met families in Korat who supported the yellow shirt movement to oust Thaksin Shinawatra. They now support the UDD. These families have also expressed that they are not alone and that it has been a big trend.
I believe anti-corruption and the longing for a fairer society is bigger than any political party or protest group.
If it is one thing the Government and Elite are scared of (and this has been said in the press) is that their biggest fear is that the Red Shirt movement grows bigger than just the support for Thaksin. This actually happened sometime ago but the idea being pushed that RED = Thaksin works well because he was corrupt.
Why don't you explain to us
Why don't you explain to us why these families u-turn from being the yellow to supporting RED movement? What "FAIRER SOCIETY" do they mean?
You are right to say RED is greater than TAKSIN, but remember that RED is formed by TAKSIN. Doesn't matter what anyone says, it will never go away that RED supporters are being labeled as TAKSIN ROYALTIES = Crook supporter = corruption is OKAY.
Whereas the Democrat/Newin
Whereas the Democrat/Newin Alliance is anti-corruption? I don't think so.
The difference between corrupt forces within the UDD and corrupt forces within the ruling putsch is nil. Corruption is the great leveler... of the hopes and aspirations of the Thai people.
The difference between the authoritarian government embraced by the ruling putsch and the Red Shirt's democratic revival is that bottom-up change is possible in a democracy.
With the putsch you're stuck with corruption, top-down. Immutable. Perhaps a 'kinder and gentler' corruption in your view, certainly one more 'traditional', but in no meaningful way different from the Thaksin 'brand' of corruption.
To those of you who don't
To those of you who don't know why and when Prachatai.com was set up;then you must realise this; Prachatai is not pro Thaksin,nor is it pro goverment.Prachatai.com was set up when its founder Jon Ungpakhorn saw press freedom ignored.This was during the Thaksin premiership.The fact that many have been persuaded that Prachatai is a redshirt website is due to mis-infomation by the biased mainstream media.Indeed redshirts attacked prachatai offices at one point last year.None the less I think it is fair to say that Prachatai's goal is to encourage free and fair journalism,no more no less.
if Prachatai is not pro
if Prachatai is not pro Thaksin,nor is it pro goverment then my question still be remained.
WHYYYYYYY one side picture
why don't you show some pic of people upset by red?
why don't you show some pic of bad traffic coz of red?
IF Prachatai's goal is to encourage free and fair journalism,no more no less.
So I think Prachatai need to consider finding the new journalism which can write the real FACT out not the RED FACT SIDE only.
PS: Jon Ungpakhorn isn't be RED?
Come on now,in the Prachatai
Come on now,in the Prachatai Photo Updates it shows 2 photos of 2 very small protests by Bangkok residents.I follow news from BBC,Aljazeera,Christian Monitor,CNN,Reuters amongst others,as well as Prachatai.com.They all say the same thing about crowd numbers and show photos to prove that Reports by Bangkok Post and Nation Media group are misleading.Are you suggesting all international media are "Redshirts"?
Come on, now they present
Come on, now they present some small the picture at the bottom on the news and only on the English version news isn't it?
The content on THAI version still be always red's good thing isn't it?
let's see the news TOPIC
"Red shirts buoyed by support"
"A medical student’s help in red shirts’ blood pooling enrages Chula doctors"
"Rally symbolic of a brewing class struggle"
Prachatai had already selected their stand point already !! isn't it?
Anyway you are what you are, not what I think that you are !!
You need not to answer to my broken english but you just need to prove yourself to the public.
As a regular Prachatai
As a regular Prachatai follower (both Thai and Eng), I still consider Prachatai as an 'alternaive' media as it claimed to be. There're definitely more news on the red movements, yes. 'cause there're already more than enough on the opposite side(s) in the mainstream medias. And Prachatai was once active in criticizing Thaksin when he still took the office in the Gov house. I don't see any wrong in publishing stories of the minorities like ethnics, immigrants, workers, villagers in trouble, and for the moment, the reds are also considered 'minority'( in term of opportunity not quantity).
I once found a 'false' heading in Prachatai(Thai), but the editor did immediately 'fix' it rightaway. The evidence is here . The editors' political stance might be 'red' or not, doesn't matter to me. Far as I concern their practice of journalism is still balanced and 'independent'.
"cause there're already more
"cause there're already more than enough on the opposite side(s)"
So what you are saying is the good media is the one who balance the information flowing in the mainstream medias? Not the middle organization who report all FACTs to the public then?
@น้อยเข้าไส้ Maybe u can
@น้อยเข้าไส้ Maybe u can contribute 'the other side of the story' to Prachatai by becoming a regular commentator? if u feel what is being reported here is biased against one side, i suppose u can also try to help 'balance' things?
I am just a limited knowledge
I am just a limited knowledge commentator and also I don't agree that the role of the Media is to balance the volume of information/news among competitors.
So I don't think that I will be able to help balance the things on Prachatai. Anyway I like to come here for sharing the opinions to the plublic so what news Prachatai reported then can just only comment on that particular news only.
Jon Ungpakhorn is Giles Ji
Jon Ungpakhorn is Giles Ji Ungpakhorns brother.They have different political views.Don't get confused by the same surname.
Sorry for my
Sorry for my misunderstanding.
anyway my questions still be there!
I think the difficulty is the
I think the difficulty is the 'with us or against us', the 'us and them' mentality: If you are not on my side you are my enemy.
This is very much the thinking of the Thai Military. Of any Military. It allows no middle ground and opens up the 'killing field'. Anyone not on your side has a target on his back, or forehead, and its ok to take aim and pull the trigger.
It is war. It is what the Military does instead of politics.
I was amazed, terrified, and disheartened to see the instant transformation of American society in 2001 with the adoption of this mentality under the Neocons there. The USA is killing anyone anywhere it can identify as 'not on its side'. National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair recently said this now applies to US citizens: the US regime will assassinate US citizens it feels are in need of assassination. Neocon apologist John Yoo claimed that the US president has the power to nuke US cities if he happens to be feeling that way with no reason
Thais ought to avoid this at all costs. Recent Thai history ought to deter them.